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ICEfaces Support for NetBeans Visual Web Project (VWP)

ken.fyten — GMT

I'd like to clarify the situation with regard to ICEfaces support for the NetBeans Visual Web Project (VWP). As you may be aware, Sun has transitioned the VWP visual designer (and Woodstock components) to a strictly community-based support model:

The Visual Web modules have been removed from the standard distribution, along with the Woodstock components. These modules have been released to the community for support and future development. To get the Visual Web functionality, install the Visual JSF and Visual JSF Runtime modules from the Update Center. The NetBeans IDE still supports web development with JSF and JSPs.

In light of this development, and after careful consideration of all the options available to us, we have determined that it is not feasible for us to continue support for the VWP (visual design) editor in future releases of NetBeans, beginning with NetBeans 6.7. We regret any inconvenience caused by this situation, however, it is largely outside of our control. We recommend NetBeans 6.5.1 to any users who would like to continue to use the ICEfaces Visual Web Project integration and will continue to support VWP for NetBeans 6.5.1 with future ICEfaces runtime library maintenance releases for the 1.8.x release track. Note that we do offer a NetBeans 6.7 integration for ICEfaces which fully supports development with the non-visual JSP editor. We look forward to supporting a new visual design capability within NetBeans should one become available at some point in the future, likely based on JSF2.0 and Facelets markup. Regards, Ken

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ffrancoh — GMT

This is very wrong, it will do that many projects that is starting use other tools com RichFaces, Seam, to design for code is expensive enough. Why ? Thank you.

Re:ICEfaces Support for NetBeans Visual Web Project (VWP)

jamesarbrown — GMT

There is a large market gap that has opened in that I think the only alternative is Eclipse. I looked last week and was most dissapointed. Maybe Icefaces should grab that Sun code, customise, build a new VWP module that is bound to Icefaces? Being one of the only decent JSF visual web editors and bound to your own components would that not be an easy way of getting customers? Maybe I have missed something obvious from the business perspective. Wish I had the time and knowledge ;) Ken, maybe you know a good alternative GUI ? James

Re:ICEfaces Support for NetBeans Visual Web Project (VWP)

ken.fyten — GMT

Hi, If you are currently a NetBeans Visual Design user with ICEfaces I would recommend you stay on NetBeans 6.5.x for as long as feasible. NetBeans is currently caught in a bit of a generational gap with the existing Visual Designer being JSP-based and the future of JSF development being Facelets markup (especially with the advent of JSF 2.0 later this year). It is possible that NetBeans will eventually re-introduce visual design support as a key feature based on Facelets markup, however, with all the uncertainty due to the imminent Oracle purchase this is far from a sure thing and we likely won't know for many months what the future of holds in terms of JSF development in NetBeans. If you are looking for visual design support in JSF with ICEfaces outside of NetBeans your options at this time are either MyEclipse or Eclipse. The MyEclipse integration is somewhat more polished than the standard Eclipse one, but they are both based on the same design library. We are also working with the IBM folks to add ICEfaces support for the RAD 7.5 visual designer, but of course RAD isn't for everyone. For ICEfaces 2.0 we are reviewing our option as we would like to be able to support a robust visual design capability based on Facelets markup in an open-source IDE. Regards, Ken

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jamesarbrown — GMT

Hi Ken, There is a lot of sense in what you say and I had decided to keep with Netbeans 6.5.1 and still continue to migrate from Woodstock and see how the dust settles. Hopefully in next 6 months something will occur. I think its a gap left too wide open and someone somewhere will eventually fill that gap. VWP may be updated, but with regards to woodstock I think that the longer its left the more likely IceFaces will permanently replace, in reality it has almost already done that. Anyway thankyou for your posting and will keep being hopeful Netbeans team eventually upgrades the VWP module to JSF2. James

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davti — GMT

The VWP in netbeans was one of the reasons we seriously started to use ICEFaces, without the RAD tool we will have to look at alternatives, not a good outcome from my point of view

Re:ICEfaces Support for NetBeans Visual Web Project (VWP)

msdobrescu — GMT

Any visual consistent tool, as iceFaces plugin, means productivity. In my case, I have chosen NetBeans for its well done visual tools. As I love SWT, I will move to Eclipse quickly and stick with it. I am so sorry to see another more than nice tool tear down to pieces by lack of support, money or management decisions. Good bye NetBeans!

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averri — GMT

Ken, thanks for the excellent post. Now it's time to have patience while waiting for the next JSF 2.0 release. I'm still using Netbeans 6.5.1 with VWP for IceFaces 1.8.1, simply because VWP+IceFaces is the best tool available for JSF.

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morgane9 — GMT

A very timely post for me. Since we have just begun the migration to ICEFaces because of its support for Visual Web development, we will stop and wait to see what happens. If we have to bite the bullet and move to Eclipse (yuck) anyway, it makes sense to choose faces components at that time. Until then, I will cling to the now very small hope that can be avoided. Thanks for the information.

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amrdarwish1975 — GMT

I need some more clear answer. Would Sun & ICEsoft ever support VWP for ICEfaces since NetBeans 6.7? I am now in charge taking some arch. strategic decisions I was planning to start my brand new project using Sun Woodstock until I find the modern alternative: ICEfaces. Please tell whom I can blame, ICEsoft or Sun ?!!!!

Re:ICEfaces Support for NetBeans Visual Web Project (VWP)

grombouts — GMT

I really suggest to take half a day to try and put together a test icefaces app. in netbeans 6.7, with the icefaces plugin, but without the "visual" part. Try facelets (please look into the 'installation pdf' provided with the download so see how exactly you get a new icefaces + facelets project started in netbeans). You get the components in the palette and you can drag them in the xhtml-editor (non-visual). There you have instant help popup screens, ... . Use the icefaces component showcase to 'cut and paste' your application together. Icefaces only (without woodstock, the only-half-working dynamicfaces/jmaki-projects, the pre-generated application/session/request beans, ....) is MUCH more elegant, easier to configure, faster, ... and after a few hours, I realized that I have lost a lot of time trying to get things to work in woodstock in the past. The 'visual' part seems attractive at first sight, and promises an easy learning curve, but reality is different. It is really nice to see how (perhaps after a few hours of extra reading) things can be done a lot faster in the non-visual editor, without the burden of the so-called 'productivity enhancing' visual editor. I think everyone who is used to using VWP should take a few hours to try this. You will be amazed... :-)

Re:ICEfaces Support for NetBeans Visual Web Project (VWP)

amrdarwish1975 — GMT

Thanks for positive feedback, appreciate it .. may be it worth a trial.

ICEfaces Support for NetBeans Visual Web Project (VWP)

amrdarwish1975 — GMT

I am novice to JSF. Would you mind to clarify more how to: Use the icefaces component showcase to 'cut and paste' application together? How can I configure "icefaces component showcase" under NetBeans 6.7?

Re:ICEfaces Support for NetBeans Visual Web Project (VWP)

grombouts — GMT

Switch between 'Demo' and 'Source' on http://component-showcase.icefaces.org/component-showcase/showcase.iface

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amrdarwish1975 — GMT

Got it now, Thanks. I admit I was astoninshed w/ ICEfaces presentation capabilities!. Let me ask, is ICEfaces is 100% open source or it is not?

Re:ICEfaces Support for NetBeans Visual Web Project (VWP)

Jokers — GMT

I opened a request on this problems : http://www.netbeans.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=169820 Please vote for it, if you agree with me!

Re:ICEfaces Support for NetBeans Visual Web Project (VWP)

PedroEmilio — GMT

Hola a todos. La verdad es que saber que no se seguira desarrollando VWP que era una plataforma fantastica para concentrarse en el resultado mas que en el intrincado codigo, eso si le faltaban componente AJAX porque el pestañeo era molesto, pero salvo lo anterior no he visto herramienta para desarrollar en JAVA como VWP. Suponia que tarde o temprano saldria una version con los componentes AJAX, pero nunca imagine que ya no habria mas desarrollo para VWP. La verdad me siento decepcionado y nadie me podra convernser que es mejor los framework JFS u otro que VWP. Yo que pertenezco al mundo empresarial deseeo herramientas que me solucionen problemas de negocios con la robustez de la tecnologia JAVA y VWP era la herramienta adecuada, simple, ituitiva, seteando propiedades para los componetents, com un preview, etc. He visto un tutorial con ICEface en que para hacer un pequeñez de pagina el codigo asociado es penoso. La verdad ustdes creen que esto es mejor que lo VWP?. Si es asi creo que es una de las razones que JAVA no se ha consolidado completamente en el mudo del desarrollo, mas bien es apoyaada por personas concetrandas en los recobecos del codigo frente a concentrarse en la solucion. Creo amigos, es un retroceso, creo que .NET comienza a tener sentido ahora. NO habria sido mejor remplazar los componentes WoodStcok por los de ICeFace y seguir desarrollando VWP??? Saludos

Re:ICEfaces Support for NetBeans Visual Web Project (VWP)

WillRobertson — GMT

ken.fyten wrote:

For ICEfaces 2.0 we are reviewing our option as we would like to be able to support a robust visual design capability based on Facelets markup in an open-source IDE.

Just to express my support for this! Some individuals hold the opinion that visual tools are unimportant but this opinion is as ridiculous and backward as the idea that we should abandon IDEs altogether and just use VI and the command line. Microsoft Visual Studio has had visual design capabilities at it's heart since 2003. Even though many of us spend more time in the raw code than in the visual designer the visual designer is still a very important tool and it's great that you're hoping to support a visual design capability in an open-source IDE in ICEFaces in the future.

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marioprado — GMT

This decision is terrible. Personaly I decided to use the ICE Faces, just due the Netbeans superior visual design for web applications (much better that the features provides by Eclipse or any other tool). Netbeans was the best IDE and the most productive environment for developing WEB java applications with RAD support. Now, without support we loose all investment (since we need to migrate everything to a new plataform). This is why people decide to stick with Microsoft technology. Using Microsoft the backward compatibility is always assured. Do we have any garanty that we will have Visual Design Support for JSF 2.0 ?

ICEfaces Support for NetBeans Visual Web Project (VWP)

yusufj — GMT

If iceface vwp can work with netbean 6.5.X then why it can not work with 6.7 ? Explaination by ken that has some critical bugs , but this explaination can not satisify us because if it can work in 6.5.X then it must be very easy in implementing in 6.7 due to most of things are done in 6.5

Re:ICEfaces Support for NetBeans Visual Web Project (VWP)

gmorizio — GMT

any news about vw & icefaces in NB 6.8?? I'm still working with NB 6.5 and woodstock components waiting for the good news of beeing able to switch from woodstock to icefaces without regrets, I mean, if I switch to icefaces I have to be shure I can work with a visual design interface.... otherwise I'll stick with Woodstock a little more Giorgio

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shaka — GMT

any news about vw & icefaces in NB 6.8?? Best regards

Re:ICEfaces Support for NetBeans Visual Web Project (VWP)

ken.fyten — GMT

Hi, Unfortunately, NetBeans 6.8 does not provide any support for Visual Web Projects, or any similar visual page editor. ICEfaces will consider adding visual design support to future NetBeans releases should they re-introduce support for a Facelets Visual Designer. Regards, Ken

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asermej — GMT

I too like visual design tools, but with netbeans 6.8 in place deployment makes it much less necessary. Simply save your work and refresh the web page and your changes will show up without losing your session. This is a far cry from vi. I have tried using JBoss web tools with Richfaces and the problem it had was that the internal browser often didn't match what the page would like like when deployed, so you had to deploy anyway to see what your page would look like. Also, Eclipse 3.5, Richfaces and JBoss Web Tools are likely 6 months from being ready. And when it does get here you are always going to have the problem of whether you should pay for the JBoss Studio or MyEclipse and then installing all the packages you need. With Netbeans and Icefaces you don't have any of those problems, it all just works. This makes Icefaces on Netbeans a great solution for anyone who wants to get going NOW with JEE 6. Also, the only reason I left Netbeans for a time was the shaky facelet support, and the lack of dependency auto completion that eclipse with seam provided, but with Netbeans 6.8, JEE6 and Weld that has been corrected. BTW, I love the new configuration that is needed to get Icefaces up and running -- very simple. Great work!

ICEfaces Support for NetBeans Visual Web Project (VWP)

wsc0751 — GMT

hello. I think,your netbeans plugin is little useful. the lib is placed into the project lib,there will appear code completion,in jsp or facelets.richfaces can also do this, this is netbeans's capability by itself. but your plugin,can only has a palette in the jsp.and can drop some simple label. I prefer to not use it.

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chris.bui — GMT

I have a question that I have not seen raised yet. I don't care so much about the visual design part of this change but I was using the com.sun.rave.web.ui.appbase package. Is this package no longer needed for icefaces 2.0/facelets? How do I access the Faces objects I need ie: Application, ViewHandler, etc... without using this package? Would I use FacesContext.getCurrentInstance() to access the Faces object I need?

ICEfaces Support for NetBeans Visual Web Project (VWP)

saloufas — GMT

Vaadin offers a similar tool. It's only for eclipse though... I'll move there...

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fereso — GMT

Y en que paso estamos hoy AGOSTO 2010 ? Habra o no VISUAL WEB ICEFACES para netbeans 6.9 y futuras versiones?

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Ivander — GMT

Me gustaria saber si existe alguna alternativa a netbeans y eclipse para usar su ICEFaces en forma visual?.. Finally, oracle will make a vwp for netbeans and when? thanks

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dproo — GMT

Acharam um jeito para VMP???

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Chalmers — GMT

I agree with you.